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MessageSujet: Quinn/Carrie   Ven 28 Avr - 9:48

Un petit sujet pour parler de la relation entre Peter Quinn et Carrie Mathison (sérieux, j'ai besoin d'un endroit où exprimer mon obsession sans forcément ennuyer tout le monde, lol).

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MessageSujet: Re: Quinn/Carrie   Lun 8 Mai - 10:34

Rupert et Claire qui s'expriment sur la relation entre leurs persos:

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“I think there’s a huge mutual respect there. They’re both brilliant at what they do. They recognize that you have to take yourself to extreme personal lengths in order to conduct yourself professionally. They both have to go through things that I think most people would find very difficult. We see that with Carrie and Quinn this season. They put themselves through the mill in the name of something greater than them. Those people are quite rare and I think they find each other, they recognize each other and they stick together.” – Rupert Friend

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“It was handled really beautifully, really intelligently,” she said. “It was always fun; that dynamic is always fun, because he’s so similar to her, and she’s so rarely challenged by another outlier. I thought it was very amusing how affronted she was by that, and threatened by that, and it exposed a vulnerability we don’t normally see in her. And because they’re so similar, they repel one another and attract one another, so that’s always fun to play with.“ - Claire Danes on Carrie & Quinn.

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“It was always fun; that dynamic is always fun, because he’s so similar to her, and she’s so rarely challenged by another outlier. I thought it was very amusing how affronted she was by that, and threatened by that, and it exposed a vulnerability we don’t normally see in her. And because they’re so similar, they repel one another and attract one another, so that’s always fun to play with.” – Claire Danes

“Carrie has various kind of touchstones, and one of them is Saul […] who’s a great figure of conscience and gravitas. And I think Quinn is increasingly becoming another. Although because he’s volatile as she is– they’re almost like two north pole magnets.” – Rupert Friend

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MessageSujet: Re: Quinn/Carrie   Ven 9 Juin - 20:37


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MessageSujet: Re: Quinn/Carrie   Jeu 20 Juil - 0:38


Si seulement (le 2ème, évidemment, pas le premier!)...

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MessageSujet: Re: Quinn/Carrie   Ven 28 Juil - 19:08

Un post que j'aime beaucoup sur Quinn/Carrie (posté en Janvier 2016 par tracey1302):
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Why I think Carrie and Quinn will end up together…

This post has been demanded of me from several different parties so I hope what I write does justice to their own thoughts and feelings on this pairing.

It’s always difficult answering a question like this, simply because it’s so huge in scope and there are, as I see it, several contending factors as to why I think that Carrie Mathison and Peter Quinn will end up together. Please bear with me folks, as you know I don’t do short posts. Go make yourself a coffee, find a nice comfy seat and settle down. The factors that I list below range in their importance but are all things that come to mind with regards to their relationship. Together, they all combine to suggest heavily to me, not just as a fan of the show, but as someone who teaches this shit for a living Wink that these two will end up together.

Contending factor number one: Quinn is literally the only person that Carrie can trust.

Journey back with me here. Way back. Like to when we first laid eyes on our beautiful Peter Quinn. Watch Carrie.


Carrie isn’t sure what she makes of Quinn at first. Maybe I’m being biased, but we can tell that she likes him but somehow doesn’t want to like him. She’s worried about losing control of the investigation perhaps, because someone she doesn’t know is being introduced into a case that is, quite literally, very close to her heart. She asks Virgil to look into him straightaway.

Then, we have this scene.


In this scene, Quinn states that he is very likeable. Carrie replies with a coy smile that this is a ‘matter of opinion.’ Here, she is being sarcastic with him, obviously, to try and regain control of the situation but, for me, she can’t help it. She agrees with him. He is very likeable. When they are investigating Brody, she trusts him, implicitly. Straightaway. Despite the fact that she did ask Virgil to look into him, she doesn’t really end up finding out much about what Virgil and Max find out. She sees for herself. (More on this later)

And reliable. He is extremely reliable. This is a strange thing for someone to say after only knowing them a few hours, and Carrie is no doubt sceptical but the relationship that develops between Carrie and Quinn is one of complete implicit trust.

The thing that supports this for me most is the fact that Quinn is hired to kill Brody. We know this. But Quinn, on numerous occasions, has the opportunity to take out Brody but doesn’t, because Carrie is with him. Technically, he disobeys a direct order. This is further underlined in one of the last scenes of Season Two, when he appears in David Estes’ bedroom, stating that he won’t do it because it will wreck a woman they’ve already wrecked.


Quinn, Mr. Reliable for David Estes and for Dar Adal. The person who always comes through and does what he is told, refuses to carry out a direct order. And that’s not because he likes Brody. Lord knows he hated the man. But because he doesn’t want to hurt Carrie.

This is a completely selfless act. Hell knows, he could have been fired for it, or worse. But he doesn’t care.

Similarly in Season Three, Quinn is not in on the play with Carrie in the mental hospital. He is the only person that goes to see her out of pure caring.


Yes, I know Saul went to see her. But I suspect that this was just to check that they were still on track. Quinn is shocked, devastated even, to see the state that she is in. And even though she is horrible to him, he still offers to provide a character reference for her. And he is the only person to show up at her hearing. We also see the pain he is going through here, seeing her in such a state.


Quinn is steadily emerging as the only person that Carrie can truly rely on. Saul has always been highlighted as this person, but for me, this relationship begins to unravel in Season Three. The play worked, yes, but Carrie is upset with Saul for leaving her in the hospital. Whereas Quinn, even though he doesn’t know the play, states outright that…


He is genuinely concerned about her welfare. I would wager that even had he known the play, he would have been the one to go to Saul and say, 'Enough of this shit, Saul. Get her out of there.’

Similarly, when Quinn finds out that Carrie is pregnant, he doesn’t tell a soul. But is immediately upfront and honest with Carrie that he knows. Carrie, though she is pissed at him at the time, will have respected this. We know that Carrie hates secrets and admires honesty. For me, it’s one of her only redeeming qualities! And Quinn brings it out of her (More on this later, too)

In Season Four, this trust has grown to the point where Carrie demands Quinn’s presence wherever she is, despite what he is going through. Yes, Carrie is very selfish here and only thinks of herself, but she does it because Quinn is literally, the only person she can trust.

She insinuates this in Season Three when she states that it meant a lot that Quinn went to see her in the hospital. While she does trust Saul, she knows that he would do anything to save the mission, and to protect the play. Pretty much anyone in the CIA would have done that. Hell, Carrie would have even done that. But Quinn, no. He looks out for Carrie’s welfare.

Yes, it’s selfish of her to demand his presence in Islamabad in Season Four. But she does it because she trusts him, wholeheartedly. And Quinn, despite what he’s going through, cannot say 'no’ to Carrie.


This trust isn’t really put to the test in Season Five because it’s there already. But my point is that Quinn is the only person that looks out for Carrie. He’s the only person that cares about her above the mission itself. This is proven, even after two years in deepest, darkest Syria. Even after we see a coldness, a distance and a darkness in Quinn in the first three episodes of Season Five that we haven’t seen before (as SenseMisapplied knows full well, I’ve never bought into the Quinn is dark scenario). But when Carrie’s name is put in the box, we know that he’s not going to go through with it.

He puts her safety above the mission. Always. To a desperate degree in Season Five when Quinn literally lays down his life to protect Carrie’s safety. And more importantly, asks for absolutely nothing in return. Carrie is right to trust him. He would literally die for her.

Contending Factor Number Two: Quinn and Carrie actually like each other and bring out the best in each other.

Carrie doesn’t truly like many people on Homeland. I never bought into the whole romance with Brody for exactly this reason. Her 'love’ for Brody was fuelled by obsession and danger, rather than a genuine like. She hated what he had done, how he had manipulated her, and yet she couldn’t help but be drawn to the danger that he offered her. I always feel this is interesting because the anger and hatred seethes from her when she arrests him in the hotel.

I’ve never seen her look at Quinn like this. Why? Because she actually likes him. Because she trusts him. Because he’s seen her as Brody never has and still wants to be around her. Because he empathises with what she’s going through.

Not only this, but I think they bring out the best in each other. Hear me out.

Carrie is selfish. And her actions regarding Quinn, too, are often selfish. Especially at the beginning of Season Four, when she simply demands his presence, kind of ignoring the fact that he’s going through something really quite damaging.

However, at the end of Season Four, as we know, she stays behind, at great personal risk to herself, to get Quinn back. She puts herself in a hell of a lot of danger in that crowd. But she does it for Quinn.


We don’t see 'this’ Carrie around anyone else. We just don’t. With Saul, she’s all about the mission. Hell, she was even misguidedly ready to sacrifice Saul for the greater good. Quinn, by the end of Season Four. No. She’s not ready to sacrifice him. Say it with me people, 'I can’t lose you, Quinn!’ (This is, once again, one of the reasons why I think the writing for Carrie was so off kilter in Season Five) She wouldn’t have left Quinn for nine days. She just wouldn’t. Sorry, don’t buy it.

We see her liking the way in which he fits into her home life in 4x12. She smiles a genuinely happy smile when she sees him with Frannie. When he stays behind to help her sister with the dishes after her Father’s wake. This also fits in with the trust thing I mentioned earlier. She can always trust him to be there because she is everything to him. She has never had that dedication from anyone. Especially not Brody, as he was a terrorist, so there would always be trust issues. And could she trust him as implicitly as she does Quinn, around her family? I’m not so sure. (Yes, I know Brody would never have hurt Frannie, BUT Brody was just as manipulative as Carrie which is as damaging as it is dangerous)

And once again, in Season Five. Quinn’s capture and subsequent time in hospital show that these two characters bring out the best in each other, because that like is turning slowly to love.

I’ve said before about how 5x10 and 5x11 and maybe I can get on board with 5x12 (maybe!) prove that Carrie is realising that she loves Quinn. We don’t see Carrie like this with anyone else. She is visibly upset with the risks they are having to take with Quinn’s health. (I’m going to talk more about this later)

In 5x12, as I mentioned in my recent analysis, I think we see a very beautiful and pure side of Carrie and this is because of Quinn. Gone are the selfish days when she would wish for something for herself. I always think it’s interesting to compare Carrie’s prayer scene here with her conversation with Quinn in the church after Sandy’s funeral.

She’s quiet, she’s contemplative. She is bearing her soul, and putting her heart on the line, and trying to have faith. And this is all for Quinn. This is, for me, showing how Carrie has changed as a person since Season Four. Her prayers for Quinn’s life are pretty much the only selfless thing she does in Season Five.

Quinn brings out the best in Carrie. And, I would also put my arse on the line and say that Carrie brings out the best in Quinn. This plays a little into something we were discussing on Twitter yesterday. I’ve never bought how Quinn belongs to the darkness. Despite what he wrote in his letter. For me, Quinn has always been someone who was born into the darkness but was always reaching for the light.

And that light, as it’s underlined very clearly in the letter, was very largely centered on his feelings for Carrie. Quinn’s feelings for Carrie are, and have been for a long time now, a massive part of who Quinn is as a character. That trust I’ve discussed, the fact that he always looks out for her wellbeing above any one else’s. That completely selfless and all consuming love. That, 'I would die for you’ kind of love. And that is a beautiful and HUGE part of the show now. And it is one of the best things about Quinn’s character.

This fits quite nicely into my last and most important point.

Contending Factor Number Three: The Quinn and Carrie relationship is the heart of the show, and has been for a long time. We just haven’t realised it until now.

The relationship between Quinn and Carrie is the only one we’ve actually seen develop on screen. Say what? Bear with me.

The C/S relationship was just there as was Carrie’s relationship with Max and Virgil and Estes. We accepted that there was a longstanding relationship there. We accepted the work relationships and so on etc etc. The C/B relationship didn’t even develop. Carrie jumped in head first without really thinking about what she was doing. They got drunk, they had sex, they went to the cabin. They played each other, they manipulated each other. There wasn’t trust.


Definitely wasn’t trust.

But Quinn and Carrie are very different. From their first meeting in 2x04, they just get each other. They fit each other’s rhythms. They come up with the same plans. They complement each other perfectly.


They encourage each other. They trust each other. They just get each other straightaway. Carrie, who finds it very hard to trust people without first gaining the upper hand, trusts Quinn from the outset in 2x11. She discards the idea that he may have had something to do with Abu Nazir getting away. This again, for me, is incredibly significant. She hasn’t known Quinn for that long. But they 'get’ each other. They connect. They just work.


Thank you, Farah for your insight.

Quinn is always there for Carrie. He sees her during a lot of hairy moments both in Season Three and Season Four. He’s not afraid to call her on her bullshit. He’s not afraid to tell her when she’s crossed the line. And Carrie doesn’t have anyone else like that BECAUSE everyone else puts the mission first. But Quinn brings a morality to Carrie. Lord knows she needs it. Especially in Season Four.

But when their relationship is directly addressed in Season Four, some audiences were all hesitant, thinking, 'is this pairing really right?’ They’re both too damaged. They’d end up killing each other! I kind of agree. Mainly because they’re not ready to be together yet. The connection is there but both characters need to go on journeys before they’re ready to be together. This SCREAMS OTP.

And even though it is a 'long time coming’ we finally see Carrie realising what Quinn means to her at the end of Season Four and at the end of Season Five.

I would also like to draw attention to the following moments.






(Whoever Carrie is, she’s a lucky girl)

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Oh and the fact that Astrid refers to Carrie as Quinn’s girlfriend. These are not just casually placed in. They are written as directions in the script. The writers have told the actors to interpret these scenes in certain ways to ensure that they are interpreted a certain way by the audience of the show.

These long looks by Quinn in Season Two and Season Three are put in there so that the audience starts to think, 'Hey, I think Quinn might be starting to feel a certain way about Carrie.’ These looks are so heavy and full of meaning from Quinn’s side. When Carrie asks for Quinn’s help, time and time again, and he just gives it, no questions asked. And we know the underlying reason behind these looks. The writers were writing, ever so carefully, that Quinn was falling in love with Carrie. This trust, this friendship, this honesty, it was developing into something way more important than the missions that they were carrying out.

And in case we didn’t realise what we’ve been seeing because they’d been slapping Brody and Carrie’s relationship in our face for three seasons, Dar comes out and tells us what us diehard C/Q fans had known for a long time.


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MessageSujet: Re: Quinn/Carrie   Ven 28 Juil - 19:08

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Quinn has feelings for Carrie. It’s out there, in the open, for us all to see. He knows that this makes him weak. We know that this makes him weak because we have seen that Quinn will put Carrie above the mission. And this is OTP writing. Particularly for a show like Homeland. Carrie and Quinn, are, as we stand here at 5x12, each other’s weak spots. In a show where they have to make life changing decisions that save or sacrifice hundreds, hell, even thousands of lives, at each turn, characters that are each other’s weakspots SCREAMS OTP.

It happened with Jack and Kate on Lost. It happened over and over again with Buffy and Angel. Hell, it happened with Tony and Michelle on 24! (I know Tony went bad in Season Seven, but you get my drift.) These characters put their love for another character above the greater good.

And if we think about the scene (one of my favourite C/Q scenes) when Quinn tells Carrie that she’s fucking a child. And she says, 'What’s it to you anyway?’ Don’t we all just wince and think, 'Ouch, elephant in the room!’

Even more evident when Carrie notices Quinn looking at her in a certain way


'Why are you looking at me like that?’

We all slap our heads and think, 'Carrie, you’re so stupid!’

I’ve talked in depth about 'I can’t lose you, Quinn!’ For my part, I don’t see this as romantic, at all. I just think she’s realised that hell, she doesn’t want to do this without him. She needs him. She’s not sure why, yet. But she knows that she needs him. And for someone like Season Four Carrie, who doesn’t want that weakness, who is willing to sacrifice SAUL for the mission…. Yeah, this is kind of a big deal.

4x12 is wow. I’ve mentioned before, and I will mention again how we see a major shift in the way Carrie is acting towards Quinn in this episode. Almost to the point where when I was watching it, I couldn’t believe what I was seeing. I loved what I was seeing. But couldn’t believe I was seeing it this soon. But it makes sense when you think about it. I’ll explain.

When Carrie has to leave Quinn in Islamabad, we see that she’s realised that she needs him. And this need really transfers when she’s back in normal life. She’s distant, she’s not functioning properly. Genuinely, in this episode, she looks lost. And then when Quinn comes back, she looks so found. This, again, SCREAMS OTP.

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The way she looks at Quinn when she lays eyes on him outside the church. Everything about how this scene was shot SCREAMS OTP. She is distracted, talking to friends and family, at her Father’s funeral. Then suddenly, someone comes into focus in the background. She is visibly moved and physically relieved to see him. She walks away from her family and falls into his arms.


When Carrie and Quinn are together, Carrie can make sense of things. Everything seems easier with him around. You can visibly see the tension leaving her body when she knows that he’s all right. Her whole demeanour changes. (This AGAIN underlines the bad writing for Carrie in Season Five) She lets her guard down during this hug and it is beautiful to see. We’ve never seen this from Carrie. EVER. Her moments with Brody were more like 'Let’s shag in the cabin and plan a life together that will never work.’

(I’d also like to raise the point that Carrie and Brody’s reunion after MONTHS apart in Season Three wasn’t even emotional.)

Do we even know how long it’s been since they were in Islamabad? I can’t recall, but I would wager it was a lot less time.

My views on Carrie and Quinn and the kiss are well known. While she realised in 4x11 that she needed Quinn and that she didn’t want to lose him, for me in 4x12, she realised that that need could actually be romantic.

Hell, even Maggie sees it when they’re walking out of the door together.

But what I think is really interesting about the kiss scene, as I posted on Monday, is how Carrie reacts to it.

I think Carrie is taken aback and terrified by how she feels after the kiss. She has been thinking in this episode, and I challenge anyone to doubt me on this, that maybe she does like Quinn as more than a friend. She seems confident when she is around him, perhaps thinking that this could be good.

She wants him to kiss her, you can see it in her eyes.


But when he actually does, all that confidence goes out of the window. The game changes. For me, I think this is because she realises that this is it. This is a future that could genuinely have a shot at working. This is a healthy, normal, stable relationship. This is Carrie’s worst nightmare in many respects because it’s a real relationship. It’s not doomed like Brody. Or meaningless like her countless other sexual hookups. She can’t manipulate Quinn like she did Brody because he sees right through her bullshit. He knows her, he has seen her 'at her worst’ and wants to be with her anyway. He accepts all of her.

Carrie hates this loss of control. And she panics. She immediately makes the jump from kiss to future and runs away.

'Quinn, I’ll just fuck it up.’

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Quinn talks her round, addressing her insecurities, providing the valid reasons why they would work. And you all know I just love when she’s looking at him and her eyes are smiling because she’s talking to her heart. 'Could this man make me happy?’ Yes. 'Could this actually work?’ Yes. 'Could I fall in love with this man?’ Yes.

It’s incredible acting from Claire.


But still, she’s hesitant. And again, this is very very un-Carrie. She takes a very very different tactic with Quinn. She doesn’t dive straight into bed with him as she has done with every other good looking man in her life that she’s taken a fancy to. And this for me, again, SCREAMS OTP. The fact that we haven’t seen Carrie and Quinn have sex also feels very significant. We know the sexual tension is there. It literally jumps off the screen. And yet they haven’t had sex yet. No, they’re saving that. I hope they save it as long as possible. For me, the longer they don’t have sex, the more it confirms that they are the OTP because it underlines their relationship as different from every other 'romantic’ relationship that Carrie has had.

I’d also like to share my thoughts on the C/Q phone conversation in 4x12. Which is heartbreaking, but underlines why they’re not ready for each other yet. 4x12 is very centred around Carrie’s feelings for Quinn (which we haven’t seen so clearly before this episode) but I think it’s also very interesting in how it shows Quinn’s feelings for Carrie.

He’s so confident after their kiss. We know how much this moment means to him. Especially after everything that happened between them in Season Four. All those many many romantically heavy moments in Season Four where nothing is confronted but the emotions are there.

He reassures her, underlining how confident is is of his feelings for her.

'I know how this goes, it ends badly.’

'Till it doesn’t.’


Quinn knows he’s the right guy for Carrie in this scene. Heck, he’s even cocky. He is so sure of his feelings for her. He knows her shit. He knows that she needs to get out as much as he does. He’s noticed the shift in her in this episode.

And then, he drives away. Carrie runs away from him (literally) to Missouri.
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He finally calls her with his, 'I can barely contain myself and how excited I am about what happened last night..’ and he coolly comes out with 'I’m wondering about you.’ This scene is amazingly acted by Rupert. He’s trying not to be excited, he’s trying to protect himself and to stay calm and collected.


He probably couldn’t think of anything else to say. There aren’t really words for 'I’ve been in love with you for two years. Last night meant everything to me.’ He probably gathered from her hesitancy that she didn’t feel their relationship on the level that he did but the fact that she might. The fact that she could. The fact that she had kissed him back. That was everything.

I love how he offers to fly out. He wants to see her, maintain the level of intimacy they had that night. Maintain that closeness. And she shoots him down. And he can’t handle it, because she is everything to him. My stomach drops for Quinn when he speaks to her. His tone of voice is different, even though he’s trying to be normal.

And when she 'rejects’ him, even though she doesn’t, he runs away. That confidence is shattered. Quinn is very much a victim of his own love for Carrie here. He’s been dreaming of this moment for so long and it doesn’t go exactly the way he planned. So he runs away. This proves that he’s not ready.

The fact that Carrie finds out from her Mother that her bi-polar disorder was not a hindrance to her having real lasting relationships and the fact that this gives her the push to call Quinn is hugely significant. She decides that she is ready to take that step, to confront that fear and be with Quinn. She decides she’s ready to truly be with someone, without that safety net. She is all in because being with Quinn is a massive deal. It could wreck their friendship and would completely change both of their lives. But she’s ready to give it up, for him. This also SCREAMS OTP.

But then he’s gone. This man, who Carrie has finally decided that she wants to be with. He’s gone. They miss each other by a matter of hours. This also SCREAMS OTP.

By the time we get to Season Five (holy cow, I’ve written 9 pages!) Carrie and Quinn are the characters that we, as viewers, are most anxious to see together. Regardless of the time hop, regardless if you’re a shipper or not, viewers are waiting to see what happens between these two main characters.

As a further point, the fact that they decided to 'go there’ with Carrie and Quinn also underlines that they are going to 'go there’ with Carrie and Quinn. They introduced an explicit romance between Carrie and Quinn in Season Four. It’s two main characters. They can’t ignore it now.


“Jeez, what are we supposed to do? Call the cops, it’s already out there!!” Harry from 'When Harry Met Sally’

Sorry, I digress. To take a quote from a 5x04 review by AV Club;

“Carrie and Quinn aren’t ideally compatible, and these aren’t the ideal circumstances for their long-awaited reunion, but as soon as they appear on screen together, Homeland makes more sense than it has all season.”

This is the point I’d like to make. Because of everything that happened in Season Four, we have been waiting for these two characters to get in a room together to see what would happen. To see if anything has changed. This underlines their relationship, AGAIN, as the most important one on the show. Because this is what viewers have been waiting for. There is a 'heaviness’ laying between them in this first scene. Despite the fact that Quinn tries to be all cold, it takes us all of five seconds to realise that he still loves her. You’re not subtle, Quinn.


He can’t resist taking a jibe at Carrie’s new domestic bliss. Carrie confronts him about their near-miss and tells him that she hasn’t stopped thinking about him. I do, genuinely think that she is trying to rekindle their closeness here, by bringing up their past relationship, but Quinn is, again, acting all distant and cold.


It doesn’t matter now.

Except it so clearly does. There is also the reintroduction of the elephant in the room with these two again in this episode which again, SCREAMS OTP.

How do I look? Like someone else.

The whole, 'You’re not the woman I fell in love with.’

Sing it with me, ‘There’s such a distance…. between us. And a million miles…” We’d like to thank Adele for sponsoring this episode.

Except when they’re back in action together, back in their professional partnership, back kicking ass where they belong, it’s like they’ve never been apart. And it’s underlined once again that Quinn is definitely still in love with Carrie.


And again when he literally sacrifices himself to keep her safe. This again SCREAMS OTP.

And then we have Carrie being self involved, lusting after cabin sex with Jonas and just generally not being Carrie. This is the period in Homeland Season Five that just doesn’t make sense. Say episodes 5x05 to 5x09. After everything that happened in Season Four, and how Carrie said she wasn’t going to leave Quinn in 5x04, how she puts herself at risk to get help for him… she leaves him. And seems distracted and 'Oh dear, oh dear’ when Jonas tells her he is dying as opposed to, 'I can’t lose you, Quinn!’ 'Take him to a fucking hospital, Jonas!’ which would have been more in line with the Carrie we know.

Even though Carrie does show some remorse when she’s talking to Otto, she still doesn’t do anything about it. And this isn’t Carrie. She doesn’t just run away and do nothing. Especially where Quinn is concerned.

And when it’s actually underlined that she waited nine days and waited for everything else that was going on to be sorted out before she tends to Quinn… this is just unbelievable. As in, I genuinely don’t believe that Carrie would have waited that long. With Quinn being in the state that he was, the Carrie we knew from Seasons Three and Four, and maybe even Two (as she does go and visit him in the hospital after the Gettysburg attack), would not have just left him way down on her priority list. Just no.

My views on 5x10 and 5x11 and 5x12 are well known. So I’m not going to hash over them again. But what I will say is that they underline more than ever, that Carrie and Quinn will end up together.

In 5x10, we see the physical agony that Carrie feels seeing Quinn in that much pain. We see Carrie’s complete devastation when she thinks that he is dead. The way she sits silently at his bedside at the end of 5x10, feeling sad, and feeling guilty for how she neglected him. As though she is re-realising that he is her everything, and how could she have been so stupid and so careless?


5x11 and the famous 'I’m here, waiting for you.’

I’ve said before and I’ll say it again. This is pure emotion. I would compare it to the hug in 4x12 in terms of one of the moments when we see Carrie’s true feelings for Quinn. As I’ve said before, every line Carrie says to Quinn when they’re bringing him round is rehearsed and is there for a reason. 'It’s me, Carrie.’ 'I need to talk to you.’ 'It’s really important that you wake up.’ They’re all so staged, so calm, so emotionless.’

But this….


This is pure love and pure longing. In that moment, she would have waited forever. We even have a cut in there to establish this statement as different to the ones before. And the fact that Quinn shows response to this statement of love, and not her other statements again SCREAMS OTP. He didn’t respond to, 'Quinn, it’s me, Carrie.’ or 'It’s really important that you wake up.’ No, he responded to her saying, with all that love and all that longing, that she was waiting for him.

Real subtle.

While I’m still unsure as to what is going on with Carrie’s feelings for Quinn in 5x12 as it didn’t follow on logically from 5x11 as again, the writing for Carrie was all over the place, I still think her fear of what 'could be’ with Quinn is there. I still think she’s afraid of what she feels when she’s around him. The same sort of fear that characterised her crazy road trip to Missouri and the way she felt after she left Dar Adal’s house at the end of Season Four. That feeling that this could be it, and what if he’s gone?

I’m not sure what motivates Carrie’s decision to mercy kill Quinn at the end of Season Five. Perhaps it’s what Dar said, although I suspect she thinks that she’s fulfilling Quinn’s wishes because of what he wrote in the letter. (FYI, the fact that Quinn’s letter was interrupted also SCREAMS OTP) These declarations and moments are always interrupted with OTPs.

However, now we pretty much know that Quinn is alive and she doesn’t go through with it, we have once again, a Homeland season finale that is centred around the relationship between Carrie and Quinn. This also SCREAMS OTP. Our lasting realisations from Season Five are that Quinn loves Carrie. We’ve heard it in his own words. We also have Carrie by his bedside, and our close memories from 5x10 and 5x11, wherein we see just what Quinn means to Carrie (which again, they haven’t shown us a lot of but they do, when it counts!)

This establishes, as all the seasons have done in different ways, how the relationship between Quinn and Carrie is really the one that matters. They are friends, they are colleagues, they trust each other implicitly, they’re not afraid to call on each other’s bullshit, they put each other above the mission and they’re not afraid to put themselves in danger to save the other. This has developed into a real lasting love between both of them that has and is powering the show.

It’s the relationship on Homeland. It just is. Despite the writers saying that they weren’t gonna do the 'will they, won’t they,’ that’s exactly what they have done. And they’ve used a shit load of tried and tested techniques of the 'will they, won’t they’ OTPs from other shows in order to do it. Especially with holding off on C/Q sex when they’re not afraid to show Carrie having a lot of sex.

Maybe they said they weren’t gonna do it to try and establish Homeland as 'different’ from other shows. But from all the looks between Carrie and Quinn, the 'elephant in the room’, the near misses, the sacrifices, the keeping them apart, they are using all the tricks in the book with Carrie and Quinn to underline that they are the one true pairing of the show.

Okay, I’m done.


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They’re extreme characters prepared to do extreme things to meet their ends. ~ Damian Lewis on the relationship between Carrie and Quinn

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   Fans of Rupert Friend’s work will be pleased to hear that Quinn’s nuanced and complex relationship with Carrie is set to continue into next season. “There is a mutual respect for someone who takes personal risks for the job,“ the actor said of Quinn and Carrie’s dynamic. “These are both kind of edgy people who go to extremes, and that’s something that’s explored in Season 3.

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Carrie is building a professional intimacy with Quinn, which is often more meaningful for her than a conventional romance ~ Claire Danes

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“Carrie and Quinn have a connection that’s at least as magnetic as Carrie and Brody, since they’re not just driven and broken by their work, they’re actually working on the same side. Two dynamite exchanges spell out the emotional stakes here, first between Carrie and Quinn – “I’m not sure I like being watched over by you, Quinn.” “I’m at a safe distance.” – then between Quinn and Saul – “She’s on her own, Saul.” “She’s always been on her own.” Deepening the relationship between these complicated characters could give Homeland a genuine second wind that will last long past the twist’s last gasps.” - rolling stone

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“I think there’s a huge mutual respect there. They’re both brilliant at what they do. They recognize that you have to take yourself to extreme personal lengths in order to conduct yourself professionally. They both have to go through things that I think most people would find very difficult. We see that with Carrie and Quinn this season. They put themselves through the mill in the name of something greater than them. Those people are quite rare and I think they find each other, they recognize each other and they stick together.” — Rupert Friend


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 Homeland

   

   She’s the ex-CIA officer with a murky record and a too personal attachment to the case. He’s the gruff, salty investigator who likes to play the bad cop. Together, Carrie and Quinn are slowly, slowly replacing Carrie and Brody as Homeland’s most should-they-shouldn’t-they couple. As soon as they have one full unit of begrudging respect, it’s time to kiss. ~ vulture
 
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Last season on Homeland, Quinn appeared to be quite the company man, but not anymore. Not only will he question his mission in a startling act of defiance, he’ll also be one of the only people who sticks up for Carrie (Too bad she isn’t all that receptive to his concern…) ~ tvspoilernew

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2.12 “The Choice”:

   “What Carrie was to Brody, last year, is what Quinn has become to them. He has crawled into bed with them, and listened to them telling secrets. He is not impressed by love, but he knows what honesty looks like. When we are alone, that is when we are unafraid. It’s how Carrie fell in love, too.” —Jacob Clifton

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Q: “Do you feel Peter ‘loves’ Carrie. Do you play him that way?”

Rupert Friend: Debatable. Define 'love.’

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   The question is whether Carrie is in any kind of emotional state to be open to a romance of any kind, and does Quinn realize that’s the case. But it’s enough to say he watches over her this season because he cares about her so much. –Alex Gansa

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   [SEASON FOUR] Look for the emergence of Peter Quinn “as a very strong and powerful influence in Carrie’s life“ - Alex Gansa

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“Deepening the relationship between these complicated characters could give Homeland a genuine second wind that will last long past the twist’s last gasps.”

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As the tormented Quinn, Rupert Friend has some of the juiciest material in the first three episodes. (I could watch him butt heads — almost literally — with F. Murray Abraham’s slithery Dar Adal all day.) Yet far too quickly, even his struggles are bulldozed by the inexplicable allure of Special Agent Mathison. “Carrie, here’s the thing,” Quinn says in Sunday’s episode. “It’s not about you.” Except it is. It always is. — Andy Greenwald [Carried Away: Can ‘Homeland’ Outrun Its Past?] (via starshifters)

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Peter Quinn (Rupert Friend), the black-ops assassin with a conscience, is still nursing guilt and an attraction to Carrie, even though she feels little remorse and has not yet acknowledged their sexual tension. Peter wants out of the agency, but Carrie wants him working with her in the field, and it’s been clear for a while that her will is stronger than his. — Alessandra Stanley [NY Times] (via starshifters)

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There’s a huge mutual respect. But you know when there’s a person in your life and you’re attracted to them — and I don’t mean sexually or romantically — almost because you know that, when you’re around them shit goes down? Those two have a weird orbit for one another. They are each other’s bad news. — Rupert Friend on Carrie and Quinn’s relationship

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“You gotta admit that together, Carrie & Quinn could be the most badass, fucked up, dream team of CIA agents ever” ~ Bustle

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Carrie has various kind of touchstones, and one of them is Saul, obviously, who’s a great figure of conscience and gravitas. And I think Quinn is increasingly becoming another — Rupert Friend, 4x03 behind the scenes

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   One of the key parts of Quinn’s personality is an absence of social grace of any kind. Not long after meeting Carrie, referring to Brody, he blurts out, “You were fuckin’ him, huh?” “He doesn’t have great social skills or know how to relate to people on an emotional human level,” Cuesta explains. “But that became a way of discovering him.”

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   “My favorite line,” says Stiehm, “is her response to the ‘fucked Brody’ question: she says, ‘Oh, who did you fuck last night?’ and he answers, ‘An ER nurse, but I’m not that into her.’” Notes Friend, “Through all that backchat and squabbling is a base of very deep mutual respect. They can smell the deep and layered intelligence in one another. Neither takes bullshit from anybody, and I think that links them together in a certain way.”

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   Quinn and Carrie are at odds with each other. Quinn is eager to get out of the business and is recognizing behavior in Carrie that he himself has had in the past as an assassin—this concern for her that she is drifting to robotic mode. He’s trying to jar her into consciousness and she’s reluctant to engage. –Claire Danes

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   “Because he’s as volatile as she is they’re almost like two north pole magnets…” ~ Rupert Friend

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   “For the first time, Carrie seems to feel what Quinn feels: the dread of having nowhere to turn, fueled by the bleak knowledge that they’re all playing an unwinnable game with other people’s lives.” ~ EW recaps

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       And when it came time for Carrie to shut it down, we finally learned why she has been so attentive to her blond highlights this season: only by unveiling her ravishing golden locks was she able to ensure that Quinn would recognize that it was truly she, Carrie Mathison, Agency renegade turned responsible manager, begging him to stop so that she would not have to see him vaporized by the combined forces of the I.S.I., the Pakistani military, and the Rawalpindi P.D. ~ Vanityfair

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I always think those two… they’re like something you shouldn’t want, but you do — Rupert Friend, when asked how does Quinn see Carrie

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Homeland has paid a lot of attention to the way these two characters are growing, whatever dynamic Quinn and Carrie have and are developing is pretty different from what she had with Brody. […] they certainly know each other by now, way more than Brody and Carrie ever did. ~ AVClub

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They like have sever nut allergy but they cant sop eating snickers - Rupert Friend on Carrie x Quinn

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“Attraction plus an obstacle equals drama,” Gansa says with a laugh. “There’s definitely an attraction, there are a huge number of obstacles and hopefully that creates some drama between those two people.”

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“I think the arc of both their characters as the season goes along is feeling a polarizing magnetic push-pull that you have for someone you know is dangerous for you.” –Rupert Friend

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“It was handled really beautifully, really intelligently,” she said. “It was always fun; that dynamic is always fun, because he’s so similar to her, and she’s so rarely challenged by another outlier. I thought it was very amusing how affronted she was by that, and threatened by that, and it exposed a vulnerability we don’t normally see in her. And because they’re so similar, they repel one another and attract one another, so that’s always fun to play with.“ - Claire Danes on Carrie & Quinn.

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Speaking of the almost-lovers, Gansa admits the writers room remains divided on “how much of the connection between Carrie and Quinn… is actually romantic [versus] operational,” adding, “How much is just that they recognize each other so well? How much is the desire for both of them to move on past this job that they do. Those are the questions that we’re wrestling with. We wrestled with them last season. We’re wrestling with them again.”

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“Both prone to rash decisions made with unshakable fervor, these two characters get each other in a way perhaps only dysfunctional twin siblings might. It’s how Carrie knew Quinn wouldn’t hurt her if she stepped into his eventual blast zone. For all Saul and Lockhart’s talk this season of how individual CIA lives are expendable when weighed against the greater good, that’s now how Quinn operates, and Carrie knows it.” –Price Peterson

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“He’s a guy who lives for the action and the high decibel stuff that he does, and he was taking this big leap of faith that ‘Maybe I don’t have to live like that.’ But I think in his mind it was ‘I can only live like that if she’ll do it with me.’” –Meredith Stiehm

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“At the end of this season they had just been through such a harrowing traumatic experience and suddenly they were kind of jettisoned back into civilian life and were really struggling and really displaced and disoriented. And there was nobody else. And I think that psychically and emotionally they were still in Pakistan and so I think that that romantic gesture and that feeling of need was about that more than any true desire to be with each other. I mean maybe they could have been…” –Claire Danes

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It’s a terrible idea. It’s like putting two people who are recovering alcoholics together; they prey on each other’s Achilles’ heels. They’re both a little unhinged; they both deal in death and destruction daily and get paid for it. You’ve got to be a certain kind of person to say, “I will kill someone for money.” Let’s not forget this. — Rupert Friend about Peter and Carrie to be getting into a relationship on “Homeland” (via rurikids)

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“… Quinn’s been in Syria for two and a half years, in some pretty dark places, doing some dark things. Carrie’s left the CIA and started working in the private sector, in Germany. They’re basically as far apart from eachother as they can be, kind of deliberately, and the season in part deals with what happens when they *makes hands gesture of paths crossing and colliding*” -Rupert Friend

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“Worst couple ever.” –Rupert Friend

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“They are always shooting eachother and saving eachother!” - Claire Danes

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“The interesting thing for me is when you have someone so closed, so determined to condemn themselves, to see these little moments of connection to something or somebody.” –Rupert Friend

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“Instead of killing Carrie, Quinn slices into his hand and smears his blood on her face in the most oddly beautiful gesture in the show’s history”

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Aren’t you relieved to see the old Carrie back? And the old Quinn, and the rekindling of their romance, as they reunite in the forest in an (admittedly one-sided) embrace around the neck, loving words from Quinn. Big sigh. Carrie and Quinn really give new meaning to the concept of codependency. But at least they’re back together, where they belong. ~ Artsbeat

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“First and foremost they recognize each other, and I think in the world that’s what we’re all hoping for, is that there’s another person out there that recognizes us.” –Alex Gansa

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“They always find their way back to each other.” - Claire Danes

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“Her life was completely and profoundly, you know, centered around this man. So she’s dealing with the grief of that, and the way she’s dealing with it is by completely investing in the mission and by trying to block out that other stuff, including her kid. She can’t even look at Frannie without being reminded of what she went through or what she was responsible for. So as the season moves along, Quinn is the one who is always whispering in her ear, “You know, you’ve lost your humanity.” And actually guides her back to some sense of ethics and morality and how to operate in a way that doesn’t turn you into an automaton, which is really what she was. You know? Willing almost to take out Saul in the middle of the season. So she went from being the drone queen to being completely and utterly disillusioned with the Central Intelligence Agency.” - Alex Gansa

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I thought it was an interesting choice that the writers had her be smothering in her care, and that he was kicking against it and resentful. She’s so intense. It makes sense that she would direct her energy into nursing him. She means well, and they are both carrying so much guilt.— Claire on Carrie and Quinn in season six

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“At the end of season five, she knows he’s gone missing, she knows he’s in trouble. And I think that’s the first time she realizes, maybe I should have said yes two years ago, and I’m gonna lose him.” –Meredith Stiehm

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“[The season] ended with her having to make the decision about whether to take a life or not. Was she going to be true to that newfound religiosity? Or was she going to grant Quinn’s wish to put an end to him? And we were left with that moment, a moment of grace when the sun comes from behind the cloud’s and illuminates Quinn’s face. And what was Carrie going to do?” –Alex Gansa

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I thought that was really fascinating to have, you know, a kind of living casualty of this work and… and that question of why is she hovering in this way? Why does she feel this profound compulsion toward looking after him in a way that is smothering and overwhelming? Is it true unadulterated love? Is it, is it guilt? It is kind of all those things. They have such an unusual dynamic. They’re incredibly intimate with each other but it’s not exactly romantic, which is kind of wonderful because it’s so outside the norm.— Claire Danes on Carrie and Quinn’s relationship

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“[The bomb] sent Quinn stumbling into Carrie’s arms again, and then propelled them both, in a beautifully symmetrical choreographed movement, to drop to their knees to assist the fallen.” –Judith Warner


Pas vraiment une citation de la série, mais du livre que Quinn emporte partout avec lui (son seul vrai effet personnel):

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“Love her, love her, love her! If she favours you, love her. If she wounds you, love her. If she tears your heart to pieces—and as it gets older and stronger, it will tear deeper—love her, love her, love her!”

- Charles Dickens, Great Expectations

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